Selling Without an Estate Agent

[googler]

Chris then wrote; "If you did your research correctly you would find that IPR sites such as my site use portals such as Fish4 and Nestoria to market each property nationally. The base sites are merely a begining stage by which to market your prospective property."

Don't be so condescending - anyone reading this can see the research I did from my post above, whether 'correctly' or not - I looked at each of the websites YOU named above, examined them to see if they had anything in my area, and found them all to be lacking. I've also had a looksee at Fish4 and Nestoria, and IMHO they're also lacking. These were just the sites that you suggested were 'worth a look', mind........

My research also tells me that IPR isn't an acronym for Internet Retail Site (that would be IRS, wouldn't it?). Wossitstandfor?

So you have this site of your own, and you can monitor how many folks visit it, and you claim this as a special feature? I disagree. I've built webpages too. It's not rocket science, it's a 'hit counter'; anyone can build a hit counter into a web page or web site, it's a mere click of the mouse with MS Frontpage, and probably the same with other web-building applications. Tell us again why yours is unique.....

[googler]

Last one. Chris said "I, like many people are sick and tired of estate agents doing the bare minumum to sell a property and then claim a large commission of around 2% based on their supossed success. "

Slow down, Chris; SUPPOSED success.

If they're doing the 'bare minimum', then what are you doing? I get the impression you're going to put property on your website, feed it to Fish4, Nestoria, then sit back and wait for something to happen. That strikes me as fairly minimal.

[leohowarth@googlemail.com]

Googler, not to be offensive, but you are incredibly rude aren't you? The other guy has admitted a vested interest and promoted competitors as well - he isn't shilling as you appear to be (from a distance) but believes in the general idea of online selling.

I can't be bothered reading enough of your threads to work out if you are an EA or not, I am just shocked to see someone so rude on a forum and so desperate to put people off another avenue of ways to sell there home.

This might come as a shock, but we are little different than the U.S.A, in that "buy to let" acts as our own subprime, and interest rates combined with fuel prices will put enough people into dire straits. California, Upland in fact, is wrecked as far as the housing market goes, and real estate agents are going belly up.

People like Chris are not alone, online selling will become massive. EAs are the Blockbuster's of the future. I personally suggest using as many options as possible.

As for hit counter and frontpage, your web experience is obviously from before 2000, as is Mr Jones if his website uses that. I doubt it does. Then again, I doubt most online property sites use either of these things either - it might be time for your EA, Googler to go on the web as well....

Although you won't get your 2% fee anymore which is the real reason people are leaving EA's in my opinion.

[page1ongoogle]

Hi we are a online sales company we provide a unique service in allowing our customers to have a video of their property appear on page 1 on google with their chosen search phrase.Type these phrases into google to check us out

three bedroom semi detached house for sale clitheroe
Houses for Sale in Lammack
Detached 4 Bedrooms in Wilpshire
2 bed flat for sale in south west london
Property For sale in Langho
Property For sale in Kingston Upon Thames

If you have checked out a few of the phrases, you can see its not a scam, we are the marketing team of a large travel company. My point is we do provide fantastic exposure for a seller, but we also work with lots of estate agents and recommend that our service is really there to compliment an estate agents service. It is possible to sell without an agent and im sure many people do successfully, but it does to me feel a bit like representing yourself in court not using a lawyer

[googler]

Originally Posted by leohowarth@googlemail.com

Googler, not to be offensive, but you are incredibly rude aren't you? The other guy has admitted a vested interest and promoted competitors as well - he isn't shilling as you appear to be (from a distance) but believes in the general idea of online selling.

I can't be bothered reading enough of your threads to work out if you are an EA or not, I am just shocked to see someone so rude on a forum and so desperate to put people off another avenue of ways to sell there home.

This might come as a shock, but we are little different than the U.S.A, in that "buy to let" acts as our own subprime, and interest rates combined with fuel prices will put enough people into dire straits. California, Upland in fact, is wrecked as far as the housing market goes, and real estate agents are going belly up.

People like Chris are not alone, online selling will become massive. EAs are the Blockbuster's of the future. I personally suggest using as many options as possible.

As for hit counter and frontpage, your web experience is obviously from before 2000, as is Mr Jones if his website uses that. I doubt it does. Then again, I doubt most online property sites use either of these things either - it might be time for your EA, Googler to go on the web as well....

Although you won't get your 2% fee anymore which is the real reason people are leaving EA's in my opinion.

Incredibly rude? I disagree. Mildly annoyed or indignant, maybe. If someone comes to a forum such as this to promote their business, and their efforts are lacking, then other forum viewers may well take them to task for it. That's the nature of a public forum. I judge businesses by what they or their representatives say in public. Property-related or not, whether estate agents, website owners, hairdressers, banks, whatever...... If people post here, or in other forums, as professionals, they shouldn't be taking three attempts at writing 'proffesional' (sic), 'profesional' (sic) and then finally get it right at the third attempt.

Take my local fitted-kitchen supplier as an example; they displayed two large vinyl banners outside their premises for three months or so; they read "Joiners requried" (sic). Another business in my locale offers, via a hand-scrawled notice in their window - "Hair extentions" (sic).

The same applies to politicians and other public figures. If their utterances and public writings are lacking, people will take them to task for them.

If someone comes to these forums with poorly-written copy, in need of a good proof-read, then they're fair game. As their potential clients, I, and others, may well judge them by what they say in public and how they say it.

You tell me that I'm rude, then suggest that my reference to a 'hit counter' belongs in the last century? Hmm. Well, I'm sorry if my use of the terminology didn't meet your standards, but the term 'hit counter' I used in the most generic sense; that of something built into the page which measures the traffic, by whatever means or whatever software; it doesn't strike me as a radically new feature (you obviously agree with me on that), and it doesn't strike me as anywhere near the 'unique service offering' that the previous poster suggested it was..... it strikes me anyone could build that into a page; even a webmaster living so far in the past as myself.

You say " ... online selling will become massive.", which suggests you agree with me that it isn't at the moment..... but it might be later. No?

As I said, of the websites the previous poster mentioned, none of them convinced me that they're providing anything like local exposure, never mind national..... and he didn't tell us what his site was, so we can't see if there are any more properties on it than his own....

Then you suggest " ... using as many options as possible" - but surely online promotion as you suggest it is just ONE option?

[googler]

Originally Posted by page1ongoogle

Hi we are a online sales company we provide a unique service in allowing our customers to have a video of their property appear on page 1 on google with their chosen search phrase.Type these phrases into google to check us out

three bedroom semi detached house for sale clitheroe
Houses for Sale in Lammack
Detached 4 Bedrooms in Wilpshire
2 bed flat for sale in south west london
Property For sale in Langho
Property For sale in Kingston Upon Thames

If you have checked out a few of the phrases, you can see its not a scam, we are the marketing team of a large travel company. My point is we do provide fantastic exposure for a seller, but we also work with lots of estate agents and recommend that our service is really there to compliment an estate agents service. It is possible to sell without an agent and im sure many people do successfully, but it does to me feel a bit like representing yourself in court not using a lawyer

See the other thread where you posted this as well; how can we tell WHICH search result, either organic or sponsored, is generated by your company when we don't know who you are, or what your domain name is....?

and before I forget.... COMPLEMENT

[brian]

Originally Posted by leohowarth@googlemail.com

Googler, not to be offensive, but you are incredibly rude aren't you? The other guy has admitted a vested interest and promoted competitors as well - he isn't shilling as you appear to be (from a distance) but believes in the general idea of online selling.

The guy was was simply spamming these forums, and googler was experienced enough to see right through it.

My apologies for letting the spam through - was busy doing some business presentations in Edinburgh this week - but page1ongoogle now removed.

[Freelance Hellraiser]

I think there are both pros and cons to selling privately but consumers should have the option of selling their property privately if they want. It's not for everyone but a lot of people have managed to sell and let privately.

Personally I think the private route is the one everyone will head down within the next few years. Think of it like a package holiday....a few years ago a package holiday was the way to go - now there are a lot of people who like to take control themselves i.e. book a cheap easyjet flight then book a hotel separately and save a few quid.

[freddyb45]

Personally I've never sold privately, I've always gone through an estate agent. However, some of my friends have sold privately and gotten a little more than what the estate agent quoted them, and obviously they didn't have to pay the commission % on top of this.

[googler]

Originally Posted by Freelance Hellraiser

... consumers should have the option of selling their property privately if they want. It's not for everyone but a lot of people have managed to sell and let privately.

Personally I think the private route is the one everyone will head down within the next few years. Think of it like a package holiday....a few years ago a package holiday was the way to go - now there are a lot of people who like to take control themselves i.e. book a cheap easyjet flight then book a hotel separately and save a few quid.

No-one is suggesting that consumers are forbidden to sell privately, or that they be forced to use an agent, but I'd suggest that the number who are doing so at the moment, and succeeding in actually achieving a sale, is miniscule compared to those actually selling through agencies.

You suggest that 'a lot' of people have sold privately - is there any evidence to back this up? What are the numbers?

In terms of your analogy with package holidays, dontcha think that the full private sale scenario is more analogous with the holidaymaker building their own plane, buying the fuel, filing the flight plan, piloting themselves to spain, building the hotel.... etc?